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RSPCA Admit to Spaying and Castrating Puppies ( Neutering) AT SIX WEEKS OLD

The RSPCA, the UK’s largest animal welfare organisation and the nation’s conscience regarding animal cruelty, has today admitted to a program of castrating and spaying dogs as young as six weeks old.

These actions could possibly contravene the Animal Welfare Act of 2007. The RSPCA along with otherorganisations were to some extent instrumental in the inclusion of the
“duty of care”
part of that legislation.

The bill, possibly the most important legislative move on captive and domestic animals since the Protection of Animals Act of 1911, came into effect on 6th April 2007. It makes owners and keepers responsible for ensuring that the welfare needs of their animals are met. These requirements include the following:
The need:

  1. For a suitable environment (place to live)
  2. For a suitable diet
  3. To exhibit normal behaviour patterns
  4. To be housed with, or apart from, other animals (if applicable)
  5. To be protected from pain, injury, suffering and disease

I spoke to David Yates BVSc MRCVS the RSPCA’s hospital director for the Greater Manchester animal hospital. Who stated categorically, that neutering before puberty and as young as six weeks old is acceptable. He told me that the RSPCA had pursued this position since 2007. It appears most of the rescue centres including Battersea Dogs Home and The Dogs Trust disagrees

This is not just a national disgrace, I believe it shows a woeful lack of knowledge on how and when animals, and in particular dogs mature both Physically and Psychologically and the impact that hormones such as Oestrogen, Progesterone, and Testosterone has on the behaviour and growth of ALL mammals. Not just dogs.

Spaying and Castration can make for a better and more affectionate family pet. It is a medical fact that neutering can prolong the life of our pets and may reduce the number of health problems in later life.  However, spaying and neutering at this age could inhibit many dogs from exhibiting normal behaviour patterns, such as cocking and marking. And may affect normal psychological maturity and physical maturity.

Allowing an animal to exhibit normal behaviour patterns is as mentioned earlier, is one of the main constituents of the Animal Welfare Act. I therefore believe the RSPCA may be acting in contravention of the very ACT they helped create.

Battersea Dogs & Cats Home have stated that they recommend cats and dogs are neutered from around six months of age upwards, taking into consideration the breed and behaviour of the animal. We would not recommend neutering kittens and puppies at 6 weeks old as the animal has not had time to mature and develop properly.

The Kennel Clubs Geneticist Jeff Sampson, stated quite equivocally , “In our view neutering puppies at 6 weeks old seems totally irresponsible. Regardless of the potential health benefits, which are far from universally accepted, neutering at 6 weeks old is just too young.’

Chris Laurence MBE QVRM TD BVSc MRCVS. Veterinary Director of The Dogs Trust, stated that they never spay or neuter at such an early age, and would wait until pre puberty ie around 6 months. Dr Lawrence told me that spaying and neutering at 6 weeks could have a detrimental effect on these young pups.

He lists early socialisation as a major factor and that these animals can be spayed or castrated at a later time, therefore why do this so young?

The Blue Cross have confirmed, that if a dog is adopted from the Blue Cross when it is under six months old they will provide the adopter with a voucher supporting payment of the procedure, to be carried out by a vet at a later stage. Alternatively, where practical, the procedure will be undertaken by a vet employed by a Blue Cross animal adoption centre. The Blue Cross have therefore stated that neutering under six months is not advisable!

A number of people have stated we are following the American trend in these actions. Why? We do not have the same problems they have in the USA. With dogs that are effectively latch key dogs that are let out to fend for themselves. Therefore the non neutered pets could cause unwanted litters. This is not a problem we have in the UK. Unless I am missing something here. When I look out of my house or car windows I never see packs of dogs roaming the streets looking for mates.

There have been many scientific studies on the beneficial outcome of neutering especially on a physiological level. But very little I can find on a psychological and behavioural level. To this end I started asking relevant questions within my dog behaviour practice some six years ago.

I started noticing frustration, lack of attention, inability to concentrate, and puppy like behaviour. This was considerably more prevalent in dogs that were neutered at a younger age, rather than those that were allowed to mature naturally.

I call this (paedomorphic behaviour) in other words dogs that retain perpetual puppy like characteristics. I also observed that bitches spayed too early, may be far more interesting to intact males; which may cause the female to become aggressive and protective of this attention in adulthood.

Despite popular belief, spaying does not calm a female down. It may help to calm certain behaviour’s in males, but not females. calming hormones such as progesterone and oestrogen are totally removed. These work as serotonin uplifters which affect mood and well being. Remove these from a fractious dog and you can get a dog that is more bad tempered and aggressive.

The immature castrated male dog may often squat for the remainder of its life, never showing normal adult marking behaviour, and can often appear more sexually interesting to intact males, causing unwanted attention and aggressive retaliation.

There appears to be testosterone surges by the time the male pup reaches 4 to 5 months, reaching a peak at 10 months of age, and then they fall to adult male levels by around 18 months of age .depending on breed and size, which clearly turns on a dormant hard-wired program that establishes natural cocking behaviour.

Many of these hard-wired behaviour’s are not isolated to just one action, therefore other functions that are not so obvious may be switched on at this time. These have social and behavioural implications that aid in the development of dogs psychological and physical growth. Without these hormonal surges. full maturity may not occur.

Progesterone receptors are found in brain cells, in nerve sheaths and in bone cells, indicating that progesterone is involved in their function. It also appears to be involved in a range of other biological activities. Therefore neutering which removes testosterone, progesterone, and oestrogen before both physical and psychological maturity, could have numerous other long-term detrimental effects.

Can it also cause physiological problems?
Because early neutering removes sex hormones, this delays maturation of “osteoclasts resulting in the delayed closing of the growth plates of the long leg bones, creating leggy taller than average dogs, therefore increasing the risk of some orthopaedic disorders such as cruciate ligament disease, joint disorders and possibly bone cancer.

It was long believed that eunuchs (castrated humans) were castrated to stop them being interested is the ladies of the harem. However in reality their main function was palace guards, therefore castration and the affect on the “osteoclasts made these eunuch’s appreciably taller and more imposing as guards and soldiers.

It has also been observed that spaying can significantly increase the risk of urinary incontinence in bitches. Early neutering also increases risk of urethral sphincter incontinence in males (A. Aaron et al., Vet Rec. 139:542-6, 1996.)

In conclusion, I am not against spaying and castration, but at the right time and for the right reason, thereby allowing your dogs to reach full maturity in both body and mind.

David Yates the RSPCA’s Hospital Director stated that the observations by my colleagues at PAACT “The Professional Association of Applied Canine Trainers” who gave observational data and input, are just observations. And without a peer reviewed scientific tests and experiments are therefore meaningless.It do not agree, all these observations show psychological and a physiological evidence that the impact of early neutering appears to have a detrimental effect on our pets. They should not even be separated from the mother at this age, never mind being put through a traumatic, and to my mind needless operation.

If they feel so strongly about it, why do they not perform tubal ligation or a vasectomy, which is a far less invasive technique than neutering, and which allows the production of oestrogen, progesterone and testosterone, thus an animal’s normal urges and social development will not be impeded. If the behaviour at maturity then suggests that neutering would be of benefit, then it could be done at that time.

I was recently surprised to find that a trainer who also claims to be a behaviourist. who has stated that she is in favour of very early spaying and neutering, the earlier the better. She applauds the stance of the RSPCA. Her name is Vera Marney she describes herself as the head trainer of Wagging Tails Dog Training, in South Norwood. All the other trainers and behaviourists I have spoken to are very aware of the behavioural and physical problems that could occur. And were strongly opposed to these operations on young puppies. Everyone is entitled to a opinion,. however the general public should be aware of that opinion and make their own choices.

These are other rescue centre’s that have stated they support early spaying and neutering of very young pups.

The Mayhew Animal Home
Trenmar Gardens
London NW10 6BJ
www.mayhewanimalhome.org

Furry Friends Animal Rescue
Tel: 020 8407 1080/0797 356 9371
Email: Adrs@aol.com

Hope Rescue
www.hoperescue.org.uk

AllBreeds Rescue
allbreedsrescue@btinternet.com
www.allbreedsrescue.co.nr

Allbreeds were so proud of what they did, they e mailed me to ask me to include them on this list and that they always neutered at 12 WEEKS. If you believe they are right support them, if not e mail them and state your concerns

Why do we have these hormones in the first place? Do these people think that they are there by accident? Oestrogen Progesterone and Testosterone play a major role in allowing maturity to occur in all animals including mankind. There will be many thousands of people who own dogs with physical and behavioural problems down in part to the RSPCA and the centre’s listed above

I believe the RSPCA and these other charities could possibly be held accountable under the “Duty of Care” of the Animal Welfare Act, by detrimentally affecting animals in their care and trust, specifically the part which insists owners and keepers must allow animals in to be able to and I quote; “ exhibit normal behaviour patterns”. These are called the five freedoms. What freedoms are these organisations allowing those dogs in their charge, when they cannot even be allowed to mature past tiny puppy’s before being denied the hormones they need to become adults.

I totally believe that spaying and neutering at this ludicrously young age is wrong. This practice should cease immediately until scientific data shows otherwise.

I believe that a full psychological and physiological set of tests and experiments should be scientifically undertaken to study the effect of early castration and spaying on all our animals, not just dogs and cats. The RCVS should consider clinical tests that will determine if removing these critical hormones at such a desperately young age has the effects I have outlined and observed.

At present they sit on the fence. This is their quote when I asked them their position on neutering at such an early age.

“The RCVS does not advise veterinary surgeons, either in the RCVS Guide to Professional Conduct or elsewhere, on the age at which animals should be neutered. This, along with other areas of clinical veterinary practice, is a matter for decision by the individual veterinary surgeon based on his or her professional judgment and the best available clinical evidence at the time.

Until proven conclusively (that no adverse affect occur) the RSPCA should give an undertaking not to use charitable donations to repeat these deplorable operations. It is the general public that will initially make the difference. Therefore I urge you to e mail or write to

RSPCA , Wilberforce Way, Southwater, Horsham, West Sussex RH13 9RS.
Or contact their press office E Mail cpitt@rspca.org.uk

If you want to know when you should spay and neuter your dog, see the full article at http://www.doglistener.co.uk/neutering/spaying_neutering.shtml

I have also written and in-depth article about what the the pros and cons of neutering plus experts warnings. http://www.doglistener.co.uk/neutering/neutering_definitive.shtml

Stan Rawlinson MTCBPT. MPAACT A.dipCCB

Doglistener
Behaviourist and Obedience Trainer
H 0208 979 2019
M 07976 153161
enquiries@doglistener.co.uk
www.doglistener.co.uk

Chairman of PAACT
The Professional Association of Applied Canine Trainers
www.paact.co.uk

I am starting a list of those welfare and dog organisations that neuter at around six months or after please see below:

Farplace Animal Rescue
www.farplace.co.uk

Follow their vets advice not to neuter under 6 months
unless there is an overriding medical reason

Battersea Dogs & Cats Home
http://www.dogshome.org/

The Dogs Trust
http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/

The Blue Cross
http://www.bluecross.org.uk/web/site/home/home.asp

The Kennel Club
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/

Having said all that, I still believe these dogs should never be neutered until they have reached social and physical maturity
For Giant Breeds that could be 34/37 months
For dogs the size of say German Shepherd then 18/21 months
Medium sized then you could consider neutering around 15/18 months
Collie size dogs a little earlier around the age of 13.15 months
Small dogs such as miniature Dachshund or Jack Russels after 10 months.

These are all estimates. Like humans dogs mature at very different rates and some dogs may be mature at these ages but some may take longer.

Stan Rawlinson MTCBPT. MPAACT A.dipCCB
(Doglistener)
Behaviourist and Obedience Trainer
H 0208 979 2019
M 07976 153161
enquiries@doglistener.co.uk
www.doglistener.co.uk

Chairman of PAACT
The Professional Association of Applied Canine Trainers
www.paact.co.uk

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    Rainbowgirl wrote:Hello,I would like to please get a reading on my love life.I would like to know about this guy I like(born 17th Aprill 1988) and How I should go about making it known that I like him? I would also like to know about my ex(born October 1991) and what will happen in the future between us?Is their anything else I should know for my future?Than […]
  • Religion / Spirituality • Re: My own spiritual wake up call
    Beautifully said Truthseeker ...When one reads the thoughts of another concerning the Divine, it certainly prompts others to add theirs as well. When we write of our experiences - and discoveries, we are doing more good than we realise. The effects that go out from such stories are greatly inspiring for those who are in need. Thank you!Statistics: Posted by […]
  • Free Psychic Readings here • Re: employment opportunity
    Chris Roubis wrote:Why not take it and keep looking for a better job.. Hi Chris, Thanks for your advice. I'm considering that one too though I felt it would be more difficult to find work again if I don't stay long in that position since I just passed my board exam. I have also heard from the other applicant that the position also seems to reoccur […]
  • Free Psychic Readings here • Re: employment opportunity
    Oh I tried to meditate with the help of Kelly Howell-Brain Sync Deep Mediation. The experience is quite new to me. First few days I felt sleepy and for some reason I didn't get easily irritated or angry like before. I tried to ask signs about my situation, but I didn't catch it yet though I feel that meditating has some good health benefit. Statist […]
  • Free Psychic Readings here • Re: employment opportunity
    Why not take it and keep looking for a better job..Statistics: Posted by Chris Roubis — Tue May 22, 2012 3:11 am […]
  • Free Psychic Readings here • Re: employment opportunity
    Hi Jazz, Can I seek your guidance again regarding this matter? Yesterday I applied for a business systems staff (data gathering and documentation) for a real estate company, and I got an indirect offer that was really under what the usual market range for my degree. I tried to negotiate but still under the usual market range. I'll know the answer tomorr […]
  • Free Psychic Readings here • Re: possibility reunite?
    Unconditional love, is more of a mothers love. What I'm trying to say is.... You are right, there is no unconditional love from lovers.Statistics: Posted by Chris Roubis — Tue May 22, 2012 1:46 am […]
  • Free Psychic Readings here • Psychic Reading
    Hello,I would like to please get a reading on my love life.I would like to know about this guy I like(born 17th Aprill 1988) and How I should go about making it known that I like him? I would also like to know about my ex(born October 1991) and what will happen in the future between us?Is their anything else I should know for my future?Thank you and RegardsR […]
  • Free Psychic Readings here • Re: still there....but????
    receivers just want to sell company assets and repay all debts, they don't care about employees, they cannot sell you I could be wrong, but I feel eventually you will be all out of a job, as I feel no one coming in to take it over. Statistics: Posted by Chris Roubis — Tue May 22, 2012 1:35 am […]
  • Religion / Spirituality • My own spiritual wake up call
    I thought I'd write about one thing that I feel has changed me. Growing up as a child in a strict christian background I was taught to view God as a punisher who is there to cast you in hell if you do bad. For many years growing up I was afraid to do wrong, causing me unnecessary anxiety. Since I turned to spirituality more than a year ago I have realis […]
  • Free Psychic Readings here • still there....but????
    Well you were right, as usual! I still have a job and still hanging in there....weeks have passed since our company was put into receivership. Whilst our team of 4 is all still there..I feel there is increasing risk each week that one or more of us could be without a job within the next month. I really hope not...but how the receivers make their decisions is […]
  • Free Psychic Readings here • Re: possibility reunite?
    Carinloh wrote:jazz wrote:Carinloh wrote::( Wonder if is that possible to reunite with my ex? Hi Carinioh In reality What will be will be with r/ships, please read the post i replied on with Life Lessons, it may help you to understand we have Karmic learning lessons and when we gradutate or learn from them if we choose to, it is up to us then we will be read […]
  • Psychic development • Re: "Archangel Michael"
    Nice to hear all your theories concerning this enigma, because really at this point that's what it is. Its a riddle that I MUST and will solve. Anyway in what you said in your reply Jazz, and I quote part of ( do you think angels have wings because they are Gods divine workers that have never been on the earth plane )Michael has been on the earth plane, […]
  • Free Psychic Readings here • Re: possibility reunite?
    jazz wrote:Carinloh wrote::( Wonder if is that possible to reunite with my ex? Hi Carinioh In reality What will be will be with r/ships, please read the post i replied on with Life Lessons, it may help you to understand we have Karmic learning lessons and when we gradutate or learn from them if we choose to, it is up to us then we will be ready to recieve ou […]
  • Free Psychic Readings here • Re: Life lessons
    Truthseeker wrote:Hi Jazz,Yes, we can only dream Gosh we are so cheeky, hmm I don't think Archangel Michael will take us too seriously, I'm certain he already has a long league of female admirers This morning I said a prayer to the Divine and I called upon Archangel Michael, I asked him not to take me so seriously for my cheekiness, he knows me ins […]
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